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Talks a lot but says nothing? He said enough to completely change what I put in my my body in one single night (drugs, food, drink etc). Something that my parents and doctors were trying to do for years. He pointed out that dentists have been putting mercury (poison) in our fillings and are still doing so. He's also directed me to a type of religion or spirituality that actually makes sense, scientifically and logically. I feel infinitely happier in general since hearing about him. He can't be that bad, come on. I'm not one of those people who are easily manipulated either - being brought up a Catholic (or in other words 'lied to all my life'), I have developed a sort of built-in lie detector.

To be honest what I read in that link doesn't really explain WHY the recession is happening. It might explain to some extent HOW some money is being wasted but what about the magical disappearing money?

Just watch the truth (open mindfully if possible) ....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d0Q3XkCiEw


No offence, mate, but if this guy got you to believe what is known for years, and, as you say, you were told by other people as well, then it's not truth you're seeking.


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I'm sure some of what David Icke says makes sense. However, all that reptilian stuff?
 
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Originally posted by Pitry, Queen of Shrooms:
No offence, mate, but if this guy got you to believe what is known for years, and, as you say, you were told by other people as well, then it's not truth you're seeking.


No, you don't understand. I'm wasting my finger-energy. There are different sections of information that he talks about. Some of it I knew and some of it I didn't. For example, I didn't quit drugs because I found out that banks are a set of robbing bastards (I knew that since I opened my bank account about 15 years ago). That's a completely different topic! The 'world banking link' was for Exodia because she thinks the credit crunch is just perfectly innocent mistake, lol.

Sorry for trying to spread the word. I'll just sit back and keep quiet like a little gimp.


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Problem Reaction Solution is how Mr Icke terms it.
Whatever the cause, its the effect that matters. I personally dont care if all the hot money in the world is sitting around Mickey mouses hole or who did what or who made whatever F&*$ups. Its all incidental to what I need to know about the world in which I live and I am basically a none-entity as far as the major league players are concerned.

What matters is not how these leaders do their work but the impact it has on my/our life. Which is very little (on me) at the moment because I feel like one of the lucky ones in a small (count your blessings) way.

As far as not wanting to discuss what one feels in an open way is concerned, well thats paranoia by any stretch of the imagination. This is still the UK and people dont exactly get exterminated for having an opinion -yet.

If everyone was scared to air their views then that would be a very sad situation indeed.
So the way I see it, their power is having a nice little wield over the people who are afraid to speak their minds.


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Well, of COURSE it's incidental to us, but you can't be saying that the financial crisis can be chalked up to one thing, and then pretend that you don't care when someone offers you a far more well-researched alternative! You have every right not to care, but at least show some consistency in your views.

Also, I'm not scared - I just find it difficult to have meaningful discussions on the internet without getting overly stuck on the details. If the world were full of Pitrys to discuss with, then I would be far happier...but unfortunately, she is in the minority.


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I don't think that the financial crisis was an innocent mistake, I think it was a catastrophe caused by greed, ignorance and exploitation of ignorance! People were throwing money into financial instruments and getting 10, 20 times their money back - they were not thinking, they were just reaping. This was exacerbated by crazy lending, the position of the commodity cycle, interdependency of banks - you name it! I could tell you hundreds of things that contributed to make the current economic climate what it is, but you don't care what I have to say, so I won't bother.

So please do not patronise me. I am hardly Robert Peston, but I know what I am talking about. My views on this have been formed by consulting hundreds of sources - you have consulted one. That is not how you pursue knowledge.


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Sshhhh, calm down dear. You agree that it's caused by extreme greed, like I was pointing out, but you're managing to confuse the subject by showing off with your wasted education at wank, sorry, banking college or whatever, and are turning this discussion into an argument. You're little details about who did what are irrelevant in the bigger picture, and you probably know all the correct terms and names within the wanking community, but what effects us (general public) is the fact that we are being robbed in broad daylight by banks. That's it, it's that simple. Remove your head from the sand.


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Originally posted by sgt.8:

Sorry for trying to spread the word. I'll just sit back and keep quiet like a little gimp.


Referrign to people whop happen to disagree with some or all of your beliefs as "little gimps" is a sure way to get them not to listen to you, love.

Awww, Claire! I would have loved to discuss this with you, bhut I suspect we'd be agreeing with each other waaaay too early Smiler


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I was referring to myself, love. I'm actually calling myself a little gimp.

There doesn't seem to be any disagreement though, that's what I'm confused about, love. It's just people who want an argument for the sake of it (build up of stress???) when they can't even remember their original argument that pisses me off, love. It's stuff that you've all known for years remember, and you still manage to argue about it! The internet wasn't invented for arguments - well maybe it was come to think of it - but keep me out of it. I recommend 'breath-watching meditation'


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Also, try 'sacred sound alchemy' for DNA repair and awakening. Good luck, goodbye


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I studied English, actually - it just so happens that I write on a number of subjects because I love to write, and I love to learn.

Furthermore, I was in no way defending the banks - and in the context of what caused the financial crisis, the details are very important. The effects? Well, we can all see those, head in the sand or no.

Anyway, I have explained myself enough.

I quite agree Pitry... Wink x


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Here is a little thought for you:

Its ALWAYS the so called 'educated' people that cause these problems, never not ever the layman.

And that said, enjoy your research.

Wherever it gets you/us.

Knowledge is also knowing when knowledge is futile!


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David Icke is a nut. A complete and utter nut.

Where is the evidence for any of his claims? Or, more specifically, where is there any evidence that the credit crunch is a conspiracy? (and no, referring to 'trillions' 'going missing' from the defence budget without references or sources does not count as evidence).

David Icke's (limited) following is only evidence of humanity's tendency to want to believe in something bigger. 'Ah, it all makes sense now...'

I feel sadness more than anything else when I see someone trying to defend him... I think there is even something more ridiculous about believing in this stuff than a religion... at least most religions are savvy enough to make their claims pretty much unverifiable... his are as verifiable as can be (unless you embrace some kind of complete relativity of truth...)

And finally. Here's some more of his beliefs, from wiki:-

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Reptilian humanoids
In 1999, Icke wrote and published The Biggest Secret: The Book that Will Change the World, in which he identified the extraterrestrial prison warders as reptilians from the constellation Draco.[25]They walk erect and appear to be human, living not only on the planets they come from, but also in caverns and tunnels under the earth. They have cross-bred with humans, which has created "hybrids" who are "possessed" by the full-blooded reptilians.[26] The reptiles' hybrid reptilian-human DNA allows them to change from reptilian to human form if they consume human blood. Icke has drawn parallels with the 1980s science-fiction series V, in which the earth is taken over by reptiloid aliens disguised as humans.

According to Icke, the reptilian group includes many prominent people and practically every world leader from Britain's late Queen Mother to George H.W. Bush, Hillary Clinton, Harold Wilson, and Tony Blair. These people are either themselves reptilian, or work for the reptiles as what Icke calls slave-like victims of multiple personality disorder: "The Rothschilds, Rockefellers, the British royal family, and the ruling political and economic families of the U.S. and the rest of the world come from these SAME bloodlines. It is not because of snobbery, it is to hold as best they can a genetic structure — the reptilian-mammalian DNA combination which allows them to 'shape-shift'."[4]

In Tales From The Time Loop and other works, Icke states that most organised religions, especially Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, are Illuminati creations designed to divide and conquer the human race through endless conflicts. In a similar vein, Icke believes racial and ethnic divisions are an illusion promoted by the reptilians, and that racism fuels the Illuminati agenda.


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British journalist Louis Theroux, reviewing Jon Ronson's Them: Adventures with Extremists, cautioned against accusing Icke of anti-Semitism: "Icke's 'theory' is basically The Protocols of the Elders of Zion with a new cast and a few script changes. Not surprisingly, Icke has come under suspicion of anti-Semitism… Not only might it be unfair to Icke, but by implying that he is so dangerous that he has to be censored, the watchdogs are giving a patina of seriousness to ideas that are — let's face it — very, very silly."

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This is the only thing people highlight when they try to accuse Icke of being a 'nut' - because it's the only thing they possibly can. Everything else he talks about is FACT, or a couple of subjects such as the 9/11 'conspiracy', HIGHLY LIKELY. eg. Explosion, construction and demolition experts have labeled the event IMPOSSIBLE for the buildings to collapse in that manner, unless they were controlled to do so from the base or foundations of the towers.

Everyone has been wrong once. Many, such as Gordon Brown, Tony Blair, George Bushes, or pretty much every politician out there have been wrong many many times - almost on a daily basis. It's just that David Icke has a bigger and better imagination than all those morons, that made his (one) mistake seem ludicrous.

If you want to believe everything you're told then it's up to you, but I'd just like to point out that people in power are famous for lying, FACT.

Another fact...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoXkTg-Uoz4

And if you call that being a 'Nut' then God help you.


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I think there is even something more ridiculous about believing in this stuff than a religion... at least most religions are savvy enough to make their claims pretty much unverifiable... his are as verifiable as can be (unless you embrace some kind of complete relativity of truth...)


Ha, I wasn't saying that David Icke's conspiracies are a replacement religion, LOL!!!

Have you ever heard of grand unified field theory? Well it's not really a theory any more. I highly recommend it. Research Nassim Haramein. Here's a good radio interview...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...FDlE&feature=related

There are 3 parts but worth listening to because it's really interesting.

"I have found the higher ground, rising high above this cycle of confusion"

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