VIDEO - What The Anti-NWO Movement NEED TO UNDERSTAND!

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=1929385033177041180&hl=en-GB

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MdVhMFd-hk

This video always comes up when I'm looking for New Order on YouTube. A real pain in the fucking ass. Speaking of which, New Order broke up again. Crap, eh?

MEAT EATING IS NOT CIVILIZED HUMAN LIFE

Actually, giving up meat-eating is not a question of Krsna consciousness but of civilized human life. God has given human society so many things to eat--nice fruits, vegetables, grain, and first-class milk. From milk one can prepare hundreds of nutritious foods, but no one knows the art. Instead, people maintain big slaughterhouses and eat meat. They are not even civilized. When man is uncivilized, he kills poor animals and eats them.
Civilized men know the art of preparing nutritious foods from milk. For instance, on our New Vrndavana farm in West Virginia, we make hundreds of first-class preparations from milk. Whenever visitors come, they are astonished that from milk such nice foods can be prepared. The blood of the cow is very nutritious, but civilized men utilize it in the form of milk. Milk is nothing but cow's blood transformed. You can make milk into so many things--yogurt, curd, ghee (clarified butter), and so on--and by combining these milk products with grains, fruits, and vegetables, you can make hundreds of preparations. This is civilized life--not directly killing an animal and eating its flesh. The innocent cow is simply eating grass given by God and supplying milk, which you can live on. Do you think cutting the cow's throat and eating its flesh is civilized?

This is exactly the kind of conspiracy theorist, mental-hospital-escapee nonsense that gives the general public an impression of the Krishna consciousness movement as a cult. For anyone who cares to know, Krishna consciousness, or Vaishnavism, is the oldest existing religion in the world, dating back at least 5,000 years, and sometimes misnomered as "Hinduism." It was transplanted from India to the Western World by Swami Prabhupada, a modern day saint and author of many volumes on God and spiritual practices.(Although not everyone agreed with his teachings, as is the case with any spiritual leader, all who met him were impressed by his gentlemanly behavior and intelligence, and respected him. There was never, as Moti suggests, an assasination attempt on his life.) Krishna consciousness is about love for God and fellow souls, prayer, and understanding and solving the deepest problems of life. It is NOT about incoherent cultish babblings about Da Vinci Code-esque "Illuminatis" and "New World Orders." You're welcome to have no life if you want, Moti, but don't drag others into it.

THE HARE KRISHNA SAINT

TORTURED AND POISONED

"TO DEATH"

BY HIS JUDAS DISCIPLES

(Agents of the Sinister Illuminati)

His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, the world-famous saint, cultural ambassador, scholar, social reformer and founder of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness, (I.S.K.CON), warned in a letter dated September 1970 that “the great sinister movement [Illuminati] is within our Society.” In 1977 he was held in a small room and slowly tortured and poisoned “to death” by the agents of this sinister movement, as the tape transcriptions in this document conclusively prove.

http://www.prabhupada.org.uk/sp_poisoned/sp_poisoned.htm

THE EVIDENCE - SRILA PRABHUPADA'S OWN STATEMENTS REGARDING HIS POISONING


You try to trace out the history of the world,

you'll find always persons who are for Krsna

or God, they have been persecuted.
You try to trace out the history of the world, you'll find always persons who are for Krsna or God, they have been persecuted. Lord Jesus Christ was crucified, Haridasa Thakura was caned in twenty-two market places, Prahlada Maharaja was tortured by his father. So there may be such things. Of course, Krsna will protect us. So don't be afraid. Don't be afraid if somebody tortures us, somebody teases us. We must go on with Krsna consciousness without any hesitation, and Krsna will give us protect.

[Srila Prabhupada from Srimad-Bhagavatam Lecture 7.9.8 Seattle, October 21, 1968]



It is a fact however that the great sinister

movement is within our Society.

Regarding the poisonous effect in our Society, it is a fact and I know where from this poison tree has sprung up and how it affected practically the whole Society in a very dangerous form. But it does not matter. Prahlada Maharaja was administered poison, but it did not act. Similarly Lord Krsna and the Pandavas were administered poison and it did not act. I think in the same parampara system that the poison administered to our Society will not act if some of our students are as good as Prahlada Maharaja. I have therefore given the administrative power to the Governing Body Commission. (GBC) .... You are also one of the members of the GBC, so you can think over very deeply how to save the situation. It is a fact however that the great sinister movement is within our Society.

[Srila Prabhupada Letter to: Hamsaduta 2 September, 1970]



And Lord Jesus Christ was killed.

So they may kill me also.


Prabhupada: This is our position. Gradually they will show Hare Krsna movement. In India also, although India's... They will want to crush down this movement. So this will be up to Him. Krsna or Krsna's movement, the same thing. And Krsna was attempted to be killed by Kamsa class of men and his company, the demons. So it will be there; it is already there. Don't be disappointed, because that is the meaning that it is successful. Krsna's favor is there, because Krsna and Krsna's movement is not different, nondiff..., identical. So as Krsna was attempted to be killed, many, many years before He appeared... At eighth child, if the mother produces child yearly, still ten years, eight years before His birth, the mother was to be attempted to be killed. So there may be attempt like that. And Lord Jesus Christ was killed. So they may kill me also.

[Room Conversation May 3, 1976, Honolulu]



But I will be very glad to die if Krsna

wants.... But I am not afraid of death. That

much strength I have got. Why shall I be afraid?

Prabhupada: Yes. No, I am very much confident of this medicine because nobody is prepared to die, but I am prepared to die. That much strength I have got. Generally people do not like to die. But I will be very glad to die if Krsna wants. This is... And I shall stay with you. I have no objection either way. But I am not afraid of death. That much strength I have got. Why shall I be afraid?

[Room Conversation May 28, 1977, Vrndavana, India]



Disaster will happen if you cannot manage it. Hm?

Prabhupada: In this condition, even I cannot move my body on the bed. Only chance you should give me--let me die little peacefully, without any anxiety. I have given in writing everything, whatever you wanted--my will, my executive(?) power, everything. Disaster will happen if you cannot manage it. Hm?

[Room Conversation October 2, 1977, Vrndavana, India]



For me, either live or die, I don't mind. But if you

are trying for my life, try it very seriously.

That is my formula. No negligence.

Prabhupada: So far that... He said that "Life is finished, and you are simply still living by the grace of Krsna. And there is still life. Let us try it." Now he is coming. Ask him daily what… Tamala Krsna: Yes. He speaks English. He spoke with me in English. I think he speaks some English, the kaviraja (Doctor), a little bit. So you feel a little hopeful? Prabhupada: Eh. For me, either live or die, I don't mind. But if you are trying for my life, try it very seriously. That is my formula. No negligence. Whatever he advises, that is good.

[Room Conversation, October 3, 1977, Vrndavana, India]



Don't move me to the hospital. Better kill me here.
Bhavananda: We will never allow them to remove you to a hospital, Srila Prabhupada.
Prabhupada: You'll have to, gradually, according to his advice.
Bhavananda: Therefore we asked you yesterday for your guidance.
Prabhupada: No, I'll guide. Don't move me to the hospital. Better kill me here.
Svarupa Damodara: We won't, Srila Prabhupada.
Bhavananda: Never.
Prabhupada: But if you are disgusted, that is another thing.

[Room Conversation October 22, 1977, Vrndavana, India]



In this condition I do not wish to live... No, in this way

to remain--not desirable. Every day, crisis... That I am

thinking, that such a big society, the aims and object

may be dismantled. I am thinking from that vision.
Prabhupada: So this makara-dhvaja, (medicine) I think not acting.
Tamala Krsna: It's not acting? How can you tell so soon?
Prabhupada: Hm?
Tamala Krsna: How can you tell so soon? How are you able to tell so soon after taking? Wouldn't it take a few days to feel the results?
Prabhupada: Things are deteriorating.
Tamala Krsna: You can feel that? You can feel things deteriorated? In what respect, Srila Prabhupada?
Prabhupada: Weakness....
Tamala Krsna: Srila Prabhupada? You expected to immediately get some result by taking this makara-dhvaja?
Prabhupada: I am already puzzled? Mixed-up.(?)
Tamala Krsna: You said you're puzzled, Srila Prabhupada? You said you're puzzled?
Prabhupada: Atreya Rsi?
Atreya Rsi: Yes, Srila Prabhupada?
Prabhupada: I am puzzled.
Tamala Krsna: If you continue to desire to live, Srila Prabhupada... If you continue to desire to live, then Krsna will fulfill your desire.
Prabhupada: In this condition I do not wish to live.
Panca-dravida: The purpose of this medicine, though, Srila Prabhupada, is to cure the condition.
Prabhupada: Hm?....
Bhavananda: It is true, Srila Prabhupada, that if you lose your desire to remain here, then no medicine can be effective. But if you desire to remain, then the medicine can become effective.
Prabhupada: No, in this way to remain--not desirable. Every day, crisis.
Bhavananda: That is the crisis.
Tamala Krsna: That is the puzzlement. (break)
Bhavananda: ...we have to appraise that if Your Divine Grace leaves us, what will be the result both to ISKCON society, to each of you disciples individually, and to the entire planet.
Prabhupada: That I am thinking, that such a big society, the aims and object may be dismantled. I am thinking from that vision.

[Room Con. October 26, 1977, Vrndavana, India]



That is my only request, that at the last stage

don't torture me and put to death.

Prabhupada: That is my only request, that at the last stage don't torture me and put to death. So I am not eating anything, and if we chant, by batches chant, I’ll hear.

[S.P. Room Conversation November 3, 1977, Vrndavana, India]



Someone says that I've been poisoned. It is possible

Prabhupada: Someone says that I've been poisoned. It is possible

Balaram Mishra (?): Hmm?

Kaviraja: (doctor) What is he saying?

Prabhupada: Someone says that someone has given poison.

Kaviraja: To whom?

Prabhupada: To me.

Kaviraja: Who said?

Prabhupada: These all friends.

Bhakticaru: Who said, Srila Prabhupada?

Tamal Krishna: Krishna das?

Kaviraja: Who would give you poison? Why would anyone do that?

Tamal Krishna: Who said that, Srila Prabhupada?

Prabhupada: I do not know, but it is said.

[Room Conversation November 9, 1977, Vrndavana, India]



Someone has poisoned me.

Bhavananda: Prabhupada was complaining of mental distress this morning also.

Bhakti-caru: Srila Prabhupada?

Prabhupada: Hm?

Bhakti-caru: Srila Prabhupada?

Prabhupada: Hm?

Bhakti-caru: What was that all about mental distress?

Prabhupada: Hm, hm.

Kaviraja: (Doctor): Say it. Say it.

Prabhupada: That same thing … that someone has poisoned me.

Kaviraja: Look, this is the thing, that maybe some rakshasa (demon) gave him poison..

Bhakti-caru: Someone gave him poison here.

Kaviraja: Caru Swami, some rakshasa might have given it, maybe so. It's not impossible. Someone gave poison to Sankaracharya for six months before he started to suffer. [The poisoner] ground glass, you know, bottle glass, and mixed it with his food. So what happened to him [the poisoner] as a result was that after twelve months, his entire body was covered with leprosy. So, you have to suffer the results of your actions. But whatever medicine I have given will, if it has an effect the poison will not be able to stay. That is guaranteed. Whatever it has affected, it will not be able to stay. But we cannot now catch the fellow who gave the poison. No matter what reason his kidneys are bad, whether from disease, planets or poison, my medicine will counteract it."

Tamala Krsna: Prabhupada was thinking that someone had poisoned him.

Adri-dharana: Yes.

Tamala Krsna: That was the mental distress.

Adri-dharana: Yes.

Kaviraja: If he says that, they must definitely be some truth to it.

Tamala Krsna: What did Kaviraja just say?

Bhakti-caru: He said that when Srila Prabhupada was saying that, there must be some truth behind it.

Tamala Krsna: Tssh. (People all speaking at once)

Tamala Krsna: Srila Prabhupada, Sastriji (Doctor) says that there must be some truth to it if you say that. So who is it that has poisoned?

[13 seconds pause, Srila Prabhupada does not answer]

[S.P. Room Conversation November 10, 1977, Vrndavana, India]



Don't keep me locked up.….. All seriously

consider this submission and let me go.

Prabhupada: I wish that you GBC manage very nicely and consider I am dead and let me try to travel all the tirthasthana (holy places)…. In the open air and bullock cart or during daytime, eh? Or you can say semi-suicide, although living what consider me dead for the time. You manage and nowadays there is in India ample sunshine. So during daytime I shall travel and night time you make a camp under a tree. In this way let me travel all the tirthas [holy places]. I am thinking in this way. What is your opinion?..... So Lokanatha party has got some experience and let me go. In India the climate is now good. If I recover, it is very good. You know. So what is the wrong? If I die, then the body will be brought either in Vrndavana or Mayapura, that's all. And if I live, it will be a great end of a life. You are all experienced.

Jayapataka: As much as you have trained us, Srila Prabhupada, that is only how much we are experienced. We don't want that you be burdened any more with material management problems but…

Prabhupada: No, not from that point of view. What is the use of lying down here?

Jayapataka: The kaviraja (doctor) said…

Prabhupada: Kaviraja may say…

Jayapataka: ...that even that your body is going to, is got a life of six to ten years but he said even a healthy cow, if it's kept locked up inside of a room, then it will deteriorate.

Prabhupada: And therefore I say, (laughs) don't keep me locked up.….. All seriously consider this submission and let me go.

[Room Con. Nov. 10, 1977, Vrndavana, India]



And this is also suicidal.... The Ravana will kill

and Rama will kill. Better to be killed by Rama. Eh?

Jagadisha: Srila Prabhupada, can you tell us why you want to go on the parikrama? (travelling to visiting holy places)

Prabhupada: ...good paddy.

Tamala Krsna: This seems like suicide, Srila Prabhupada, this program. It seems to some of us like it's suicidal.

Prabhupada: And this is also suicidal.

Tamala Krsna: Hm. Prabhupada said, "And this is also suicide." Now you have to choose which suicide.

Prabhupada: The Ravana (A great demon) will kill and Rama (God) will kill. Better to be killed by Rama. Eh? That Marica--if he does not go to mislead Sita, he'll be killed by Ravana; and if he goes to be killed by Rama, then it is better.

[Room Con. Nov. 10, 1977, Vrndavana, India]



Note: Here Srila Prabhupada compares himself to Marica. His going to visit the holy places in weaken health would be like being kill by Rama (God) His staying in the room with his Judas disciples being forced to take their poison would be like being killed by Ravana (a great demon)

What is this nonsense idea that we protest a police state and strongly support another, THIS IS HYPOCRISY!!!
Stop barking, you make your bed, lie in it.

Oh good. The personalities are arguing with one another again...

Sweet Jesus, some of you people write a lot. What's the deal with that? Got nothing better to do?

If we weren't meant to eat cows, they wouldn't be made of beef. Who's for a steak?

Actually there is a delicious steak in the fridge that I shall be eating this very evening.

I wish there weren't so many weird veggies around, they make the rest of us look mad. Having said that I don't really understand why people eat meat. As someone who has dissected hearts, eyes, fish etc (compulsory A level Biology, not my hobby!) I fail to see how a cow/pig/sheep etc is in any way appetising.

Also on a slightly unrelated subject I've always wondered how meat-eating Kula Shaker fans feel when the band slag off meat eaters? It's just idle curiosity really. I just find that meat eaters get really defensive when you even mention being a veggie so to follow a band that is adamantly vegetarian must feel a little odd. I mean clearly you don't have to slavishly emulate a band to like their music but so many on here are attracted by the ideals and stuff so I just wondered.....could be on the wrong track entirely here though!

I never really worried about animals being dirty to eat per se. I mean plants are not so very far off, they too live in the 'dirty' wild, are organic, made of cells, can get diseases, go through life processes, etc. When you eat a slice of meat, after all, you are not eating the rest of the animal like eyes etc or internal organs (tho some people go in for internal organs, not me) which it is perhaps natural to fear or distrust. Natural because those kind of things would not be safe for humans 'in the wild' to generally eat. Though I do acknowledge that what disgusts us is learnt (as opposed to the disgust response itself, which is hard-wired).

As for KS slagging off meat eaters. Well Morrissey does it too so I have time to reflect on the situation at leisure. The 'answer' is simply that I don't agree with Crispian on a lot of things. I admire his spiritual writing, in fact it's one of the things that attracts me to KS cos so few write about this subject matter. Even though I'm without faith myself. He is one of the coolest people on earth but that doesn't entail I accept all of his beliefs. I admire his inherent cool, his music, his singing, his songwriting, his frontmanship, etc, and his kindness (from meeting in person) but there are some things I would disagree with him strongly on. No contradiction there at all.

And btw, the steak truly was of first rate quality, thanks for asking.

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Originally posted by 2-J:
I never really worried about animals being dirty to eat per se. I mean plants are not so very far off, they too live in the 'dirty' wild, are organic, made of cells, can get diseases, go through life processes, etc.

I didn't so much mean that animals are dirty, in fact I had never though of them as dirty before. I more was meaning that having seen the orginal product - i.e the living animal, the raw product - i.e the dead/cut up animal I can't get that picture out of my mind when I see meat and so I can't bring myself to eat it because I visualise all the 'icky' bits and imagine the steak or whatever moving around, being alive. I can't separate the two aspects of meat in my head, so I don't really see it as food. Clearly a great many people possess a talent I do not!

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As for KS slagging off meat eaters. Well Morrissey does it too so I have time to reflect on the situation at leisure. The 'answer' is simply that I don't agree with Crispian on a lot of things. I admire his spiritual writing, in fact it's one of the things that attracts me to KS cos so few write about this subject matter. Even though I'm without faith myself. He is one of the coolest people on earth but that doesn't entail I accept all of his beliefs. I admire his inherent cool, his music, his singing, his songwriting, his frontmanship, etc, and his kindness (from meeting in person) but there are some things I would disagree with him strongly on. No contradiction there at all.

I wouldn't say there's any contadiction either, I was wondering if fans like you felt in any way picked on or pressured, being so at odds with people you admire? Vegetarianism is so much part of Crispian's take on Indian philosophy and so many buy into it that I just thought maybe people felt at odds with Crispian himself at times.

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Originally posted by Sarah:

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Originally posted by 2-J:
I never really worried about animals being dirty to eat per se. I mean plants are not so very far off, they too live in the 'dirty' wild, are organic, made of cells, can get diseases, go through life processes, etc.

I didn't so much mean that animals are dirty, in fact I had never though of them as dirty before. I more was meaning that having seen the orginal product - i.e the living animal, the raw product - i.e the dead/cut up animal I can't get that picture out of my mind when I see meat and so I can't bring myself to eat it because I visualise all the 'icky' bits and imagine the steak or whatever moving around, being alive. I can't separate the two aspects of meat in my head, so I don't really see it as food. Clearly a great many people possess a talent I do not!

Well you eat vegetables do you not? Which were once part of some plant or other, living, excreting, respiring, reproducing organisms? I don't see how it should differ prima facie, - just from what you've descrived. Many plants have bits that would be inedible for us, just as animals do, etc. Is it really only the fact that animals move around in a different way to plants, that disgusts you so?

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Originally posted by Sarah:

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Originally posted by 2-J:
As for KS slagging off meat eaters. Well Morrissey does it too so I have time to reflect on the situation at leisure. The 'answer' is simply that I don't agree with Crispian on a lot of things. I admire his spiritual writing, in fact it's one of the things that attracts me to KS cos so few write about this subject matter. Even though I'm without faith myself. He is one of the coolest people on earth but that doesn't entail I accept all of his beliefs. I admire his inherent cool, his music, his singing, his songwriting, his frontmanship, etc, and his kindness (from meeting in person) but there are some things I would disagree with him strongly on. No contradiction there at all.

I wouldn't say there's any contadiction either, I was wondering if fans like you felt in any way picked on or pressured, being so at odds with people you admire? Vegetarianism is so much part of Crispian's take on Indian philosophy and so many buy into it that I just thought maybe people felt at odds with Crispian himself at times.

Picked on or pressured? 'Picked on' I think implies some kind of singling out for arbitrary reasons, so throw that one out right away. 'Pressured' - people in my day to day experience have a hard time exerting pressure on me because of the person I am... so the ability of a celebrity to exert 'pressure' is for me, pretty much non-existent. Bit of a cliche to say it, but I am an 'independent thinker' in that I am committed as a first principle to examining all views on a subject as impartially as poss etc. Certainly don't accept anything uncritically.

I feel 'at odds' with his opinion on that. But not with the majority of his art and showmanship, which is why I'm here, at the end of the day.