Does anyone know Crispian's views on leather jackets. He is a vegetarian but I'm sure I've seen him wearing (what appears to be) leather before. Does he just not like eating meat or is he a veggie because it's cruel to kill animals?

sgt -- first of all, it could be for religious/spiritual reasons. the vegitarianism, not the jacket.

my sister (who is also a Kula fan, btw) has been a vegan for years. i, however, love cheeseburgers. we've debated the killing animals thing a lot. about where we've arrived:

these days, it's hard to cross the street without paying some multinational to kill helpless baby animals. where were your shoes made? what are they made out of? how much damage to the atmosphere was done shipping them over here?? you could agonize over everything, or you could go live in a cave and avoid it all, but neither of those options are very fun. i think animal lovers should be content to make a REASONABLE EFFORT. shy away from the most evil companies/practicies/foods and keep your eyes open, but don't delude yourself into thinking you can completely escape it all and purify your soul or something.

my end point -- i don't think being vegetarian and wearing a leather jacket makes you a hypocrite.

p.s. i thought this was about some synthetic-leather-jackets-for-vegans thing. amusing idea....

Well I wasn't saying he was a hypocrite. Just wondering if they are leather, or a fake look leather. I still got some leather shoes but haven't bought leather since becoming a vegetarian, so just curious to know his, or anyone else' view on the wearing of animals.

I've always been led to believe that Vegans are the ones who don't usually wear leather or wool come to that.
But each to their own.
Vegetarian leather jackets=Vinyl. Now there's a beautiful substance. Where would the music world be without that stuff?

Vegans are the ones who don't eat dairy products and eggs, and their veganism is always ideological in nature unlike vegeterians who can be ideological (like me, I don't wear leather either) or could be health issues related. Or just being weird.

Anyways, yes, Crispian's a hypocrite about it. Everyone is a hypocrite about something. I only ever bother getting worked out about the Holier-than-Thou kind who are sure that they're not hypocrites even though they're worse than the rest(read: a lot of vegans, generally a lot of the "ooh, look at me, I'm a radical/anarchist/whatever!" people, fake human rights activists - you know, the antisemites for Palestinian rights bunch, etc etc). Crispian is at least honest enough to be sheepishly embarrassed about his leather jacket/boots when interviewers point it out.

I understand not wearing leather, but wool? What's left? Plastic? I don't think I'm going to buy leather again but wool is my favourite - I'd be lost (or at least - naked) without wool, and that wouldn'y be good for anyone.

I guess it's hard not to be a hypocrite about it these days. I looked at my showergell the other day and it had a big 'V' on the side. I didn't even know anything like that contained animals. What about soap/handwash in pubs? You never know.

There is, pof course, the other side of the problem - finding non leather shoes that aren't made in China.
Damn you, Nike, for buying Converse!!

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Or just being weird.

DId you have anyone particular in mind?

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Or just being weird.

DId you have anyone particular in mind?

I always have you in mind babe, even if I as lame and dind't think of you :P

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Or just being weird.

DId you have anyone particular in mind?

I always have you in mind babe, even if I as lame and dind't think of you :P

That'S good to know

Now... here are some of my reasons:
- to impress a guy (yeah, worked totally well. *mental eye-roll @ self)
- so I wouldn't have to eat lunch with the kids at work. Vegetarianism is THE perfect excuse!!!
- because i like counting things.
- to prove to myself that i can give up on anything i want to
- just for the sake of it

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Yes, dear. I kno you're silly. *Upats* you should be veggie in order to prove to yourself you can enjoy tofu!!!

Speaking of odd reasons, god, I should have delcared myself a vegan when I was in the army. Vegeterians don't get off this easily, they have veggie food, but if you're vegan you jsut get money to go and buy your own food.

which would have been SUCH an improvement.

...or is this considered a normal reason?

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Originally posted by Pitry, Queen of Shrooms:
Yes, dear. I kno you're silly. *Upats* you should be veggie in order to prove to yourself you can enjoy tofu!!!

Speaking of odd reasons, god, I should have delcared myself a vegan when I was in the army. Vegeterians don't get off this easily, they have veggie food, but if you're vegan you jsut get money to go and buy your own food.

which would have been SUCH an improvement.

...or is this considered a normal reason?

damn, that's even better than my 'not having to eat at work' reason.

but the impressing a guy thing just beats it all

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Originally posted by Pitry, Queen of Shrooms:
Yes, dear. I kno you're silly. *Upats* you should be veggie in order to prove to yourself you can enjoy tofu!!!

Speaking of odd reasons, god, I should have delcared myself a vegan when I was in the army. Vegeterians don't get off this easily, they have veggie food, but if you're vegan you jsut get money to go and buy your own food.

which would have been SUCH an improvement.

...or is this considered a normal reason?

damn, that's even better than my 'not having to eat at work' reason.

but the impressing a guy thing just beats it all

It does! The things people do to impress a guy... my dear, you should become a lesbian!

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Originally posted by reptilian humanoid:

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Originally posted by Pitry, Queen of Shrooms:
Yes, dear. I kno you're silly. *Upats* you should be veggie in order to prove to yourself you can enjoy tofu!!!

Speaking of odd reasons, god, I should have delcared myself a vegan when I was in the army. Vegeterians don't get off this easily, they have veggie food, but if you're vegan you jsut get money to go and buy your own food.

which would have been SUCH an improvement.

...or is this considered a normal reason?

damn, that's even better than my 'not having to eat at work' reason.

but the impressing a guy thing just beats it all

It does! The things people do to impress a guy... my dear, you should become a lesbian!

*considers*
Hmmmm... my man says he wouldn't be impressed. Spoilsport!

I thought any straight man's fantasy is two girls getting it on with one another?