....that Mills was in a band with an active member of the NF. You lot can say what you want, I think that is an abomination. What a total prick. the NF is something not even you crowd can justify surely?

That's not actually true, the person in question, Marcus Maclaine, had not been in the national front since he was 18. Nobody - neither Maclaine himself or the investigative journalists reporting at the time, ever claimed otherwise. Maclaine even moved to distance himself from the organisation (That's not to say that he wasn't right wing, just not that extreme).

Also, I don't know how old this Maclaine was, but he had a relationship with Crispian's mother at the time that Crispian was in the band with him, so I am guessing he was substantially older than Crispian, therefore he had been out of the National Front for many years. More importantly, it's very possible that Crispian never knew that the guy had even been in the National Front (nobody has ever suggested that Crispian knew that fact). Again, that's not to say that Crispian didn't know that the guy had some very right wing leanings, but still.

Any links is depicable. I got this information from the Morning Star paper article that one of you posted here. I imagine he would have known don't you? Members of the NF are hardly known for keeping their views quiet.

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Originally posted by Leon:
Any links is depicable. I got this information from the Morning Star paper article that one of you posted here. I imagine he would have known don't you? Members of the NF are hardly known for keeping their views quiet.

The original indpedent article from 1997...

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4158/is_19970420/ai_n14112557

"Maclaine was no stranger to extremist politics himself, having spent time in the National Front as a teenager, although he says he has had nothing to do with the organisation since he was 18."

And the guy who wrote that article was the investigative journalist who 'dug the dirt' in the first place. So that's as definitive as you are going to get.

And maybe he did know that this Maclaine still had extreme views, who knows, well we all do stupid things sometimes when young. Crispian has said that he regretted it and I'm sure he does.

I can honestly say of all the stupid things myself or anyone I would associate with have done none of them have EVER BEEN INVOLVED WITH ANYONE WHO HAS VIEWS LIKE THOSE OF THE NF.

I was once a bad person.

"He and Marcus Mac-laine, who was the partner of Mills's actress mother Hayley for 12 years, had formed a band called The Objects of Desire. According to Maclaine, they gave it the motto "England will rise again". The group did the usual round of clubs and backstreet venues making a limited impact on the music scene. But in 1993 the band was lined up to play a far bigger gig at Wembley: a conference entitled "Global Deception" at which speakers included a notorious anti-semitic propagandist Eustace Mullins and a leading US militia writer, William Cooper. Cooper, who stepped in as compere at the conference after the right-wing, militia-supporting DJ Anthony J Hilder failed to appear, has reprinted the anti-semitic forgery, the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, which was used by the Nazis to justify the Holocaust. Mills later went on to thank Cooper on Kula Shaker's hit album K"


"You can see why Hitler got support. It was probably the uniforms that swung it," he told the same publication in November 1996. "Well, we know that democracy doesn't work. If we had a non-elected body that set the right standards . . .""


And this is a man who you people RESPECT??!?!?!?
You should all be fucking ashamed of yourselves.

We are all sinners Leon.

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Originally posted by Leon:
I can honestly say of all the stupid things myself or anyone I would associate with have done none of them have EVER BEEN INVOLVED WITH ANYONE WHO HAS VIEWS LIKE THOSE OF THE NF.

Great. Okay. Whaddayawant? A medal? Ok *pins one on you*. Now fuck off.

If you think that - not even being an ex-NF member - associating with someone who was in the NF, who you might not have known was ever in the NF, when you were young, is unforgiveable, if the person apologises, then you're sick in the head. And just as ridiculously hardline as the views that you are supposedly railing against.

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Originally posted by Leon:
I can honestly say of all the stupid things myself or anyone I would associate with have done none of them have EVER BEEN INVOLVED WITH ANYONE WHO HAS VIEWS LIKE THOSE OF THE NF.

I'm afraid you are the type of journalist wannabe that would frequent the offices of News of The World or Daily Star (or NME for that matter) front page:
"SHOCK HORROR AS THE PRICE OF LARD GOES UP 2p"

And the fact that you picked up on this(under a completely wrong interpretation i might add) 7 years after the press latched onto it, shows how retarded you really are.

And would you be kind enough to post your address here, so i can come down there and kick the shit out of you?

kind regards,

K

Witty.

If I was frequenting the offices of News Of The OWrld, The Daily Star or the NME on a regular basis I would not be a wannabe journalist (like, say someone that writes for the Morning Star) I'd be very succesful.
I simply can't believe you would consider a mand that has these views credible. Its not just the association with the NF is it? Its LOADS of incidents. Including thanking Cooper in his album sleeve, an album that you bunch of cloth ears still listen to and inexplicably regard as a 'classic'. If you choose to respect albums that have far-right leanings that makes you one of the biggest fools on the planet. Simple as. Justifying an making excuses for a buffoons Nazi leanings is disgusting, as any right minded individual can see.

I will follow Hitler before I follow the Devil!

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"You can see why Hitler got support. It was probably the uniforms that swung it," he told the same publication in November 1996. "Well, we know that democracy doesn't work. If we had a non-elected body that set the right standards . . ."

The Hitler uniforms thing, I mean I actually agree with that statement, in that, the Nazis were smartly turned out, and part of their appeal was that they promised to bring order and discipline to germany after the many years of disorder and strife following world war one. So hardly a controversial opinion. It's not an endorsement of Nazism, just citing one of the reasons for its appeal.

The non-elected body thing is complicated. Personally I disagree with Crispian on this. But I would suppose that most people have a conception of what is morally right, and morally wrong, correct? And they believe these values are objective, e.g. murder is wrong, it doesn't matter who you are or how you look at it, it's wrong - that's what some people believe. And so on and so forth for any kind of action and crime. I think most people probably do have opinions like that about what is right and wrong. And all Crispian was saying there was 'wouldn't it be nice if someone just came along and did everything morally?' We could get into a huge ethical and political theoretical discussion at this point about how far that view of objective morals is justifiable - but it's enough to note that
(i) it's not a controversial view. I think the majority of people hold that view, that morality is objective. Certainly any of the followers of the major world religions do.
(ii) just because the body he was talking about would 'set the right standard' doesn't mean they would set a nazi standard. Maybe they would instead effect a just and caring society... I'm sure that would go along much better with the message of love that comes through in Crispian's art, than unfounded allegations of Nazism.

http://users.compaqnet.be/fairyland/kulafax.htm

That's Crispian's explanation, that he faxed to the Independent at the time.

I include the link to explain on his behalf about the Cooper thing. Crispian said:

"Bill Cooper lectured at the conference and that is really
all I know of him. At the time I read his book, and while some of the content
seemed fascinating at the time, I can't accept either him or his theories. I
have no admiration for Cooper or his ideas and his reprinting of the
reprehensible and specious Protocols of Zion is, if I am not mistaken, his
attempt to show how there is a conspiracy against the Jews and not a
justification of a Jewish conspiracy. Which may lead you to ask why he earned
a place of mention on our album cover. The theme of the cover played with the
idea of conspiracies, and remembering him as a proponent of conspiracy theory
we put him on as a joke - thats it. You will note that other notables are also
mentioned such as Terry Venebles, Charles Dickens, and Jack Kerouac.

But I really suggest you read Crispian's response before mouthing off anymore. You may find issues addressed. At least give the man a chance to defend himself.

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Originally posted by Leon:
Witty.

If I was frequenting the offices of News Of The OWrld, The Daily Star or the NME on a regular basis I would not be a wannabe journalist (like, say someone that writes for the Morning Star) I'd be very succesful.
I simply can't believe you would consider a mand that has these views credible. Its not just the association with the NF is it? Its LOADS of incidents. Including thanking Cooper in his album sleeve, an album that you bunch of cloth ears still listen to and inexplicably regard as a 'classic'. If you choose to respect albums that have far-right leanings that makes you one of the biggest fools on the planet. Simple as. Justifying an making excuses for a buffoons Nazi leanings is disgusting, as any right minded individual can see.

Are you like some sort of deranged Fox Mulder type?

"look scully! its all piecing together! Read the liner notes in the album, goddamnit!"

I think you are reading and interpreting all this the way YOU WANT to interpret it. And don't think you can make yourself feel any better inside by thinkin "ye-ah! thats one point for me against those Nazi pigs!". you have a warped mind. You need your medication.you need to lie down...on a railway track preferably.


k